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Jack Ditch's avatar

You're underselling the importance of persuasion in the fight for gay marriage. Yes, morality was on our side, but it absolutely wasn't won by lecturing, but rather by appealing to the moral sensibilities of our opponents to actually convince them it was the right thing to do. See Andrew Sullivan's pioneering writing on this from back in the day. I myself changed a lot of minds on this simply by being decent towards (and even friends with) many conservative Christians, allowing them to accept me on their own terms. "Lecturing" was rather the tactic of the right in that fight, and it only hurt their position.

I think this all has more to do with misattributing the success of gay marriage, rather than just wrong lessons learned. The "lecturing left" has been around for at least the past 60 years, and from their home base in academia, they take credit for civil rights successes, and their students believe them. But look closer at those successes, and it's generally the "normie" folks doing the patient work of persuasion that actually win the day. We learn the wrong lessons because we're listening to the wrong teachers.

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Matthew Hall's avatar

Addendum re gay marriage - gay politics in the 70s and early 80s was crazy. Conservatives didn't pull "they want to destroy the traditional family" or "feminists want women to become lesbians" out of nowhere - they just listened to the lunatic fringe. NAMBLA had to be barred from Pride in the 80s. It took a lot of refinement of arguments to get to the point of a cause as easy as marriage. 2010s progressives thought you could just go straight in with the craziest ideas (defund the police) without the road test.

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