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Jeremiah Johnson's avatar

A fun note:

I had so many examples to link that I actually had to delete some of them because the text got too long to fit into a single email. The list could have been significantly longer.

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Jaack's avatar

Email length restrictions are V I O L E N C E

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Matthew S.'s avatar

I cannot be sure, because it probably has it's roots in academia prior to this, but the book "Nonviolent Communication" written by Marshall Rosenburg in 2003 is the first instance I can remember of this phenomenon. It's not taken to the degree that it gets taken now, but there's definitely a pattern there of calling things violent that no sane person would recognize as such.

There's a similar trend with the word 'oppression'. My brother and I are pretty far apart on politics, for example, me being a subscriber here and him being an anarchist (at least ideologically), but we've both had really nasty jobs in the past. I'm talking sweltering factory work in the summer with no A/C and a twenty minute lunch break. Coming home covered in granite dust or buffing compound. And we both roll our eyes when you read some story about a work environment that was "oppressive as fuck" because someone (as an entry-ish-level employee) was asked to clean out a conference room for an important meeting that didn't involve them, for example.

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CorrectSRGB's avatar

> As far as I can tell there’s no outer limit. Some activists will write with a straight face that non-violent action has always been violent. (link to https://everydayfeminism.com/2017/05/rethink-violence/)

I don't think the link used here was a good example. If you actually read the linked article, it clearly says that in the context of discussing how peaceful protest movements had to face physical violence, and how some advocated for self-defense through things like weapons ownership. Unlike the other examples, it is *not* taking some non-physical action and terming it violent.

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Gazeboist's avatar

A good discussion in general, but "the coddling of the American mind" remains a reach.

To understand this phenomenon, all we need to do is acknowledge that, in the face of exponentially increasing volumes of information flowing in all directions, speakers are pushed to simplify (I talk about X; all things I talk about are X; all X are fundamentally similar) and heighten (X is the most important class of information; this is the most urgent information of class X) in order for the message to be heard at all. This very quickly creates a feedback loop on twitter-type platforms that leads to everyone screaming about everything all the time.

Meanwhile if you want to assert "coddling" as the cause, I'd have to ask you to at least identify a coddler.

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Mike Kidwell's avatar

This is great. Calling everything you don't like "violence" really is one of the worst parts of the current discourse. From what I can see, this often comes from people whose lives are so easy and coddled that they simply don't understand what real violence and trauma is and therefore need to define ever more mundane acts as horrific transgressions so that they can feel like they are raging against something meaningful.

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anzabannanna's avatar

Is this to say that it is a fact that they are not raging against something meaningful (and real)?

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Mike Kidwell's avatar

I'm saying that many people want their fight to feel more consequential, so they need to frame their perceived injustice as "literally violence" rather than "hurting someone's feelings". Trying to encourage people to be nice to each other is a good thing, but for a lot of people, it's not the existential struggle they need it to be to convince themselves that what they're doing is super important and critical.

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anzabannanna's avatar

I'm very curious to know if you believe that these things are not(!) super important and critical, but if it's a sensitive area you only like talking about in certain ways (the (apparent) shortcomings of others) I can understand.

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Mike Kidwell's avatar

I'm glad you can understand, because I have no idea what that word salad of a comment is supposed to mean

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anzabannanna's avatar

"Word salad" often comes up in these scenarios.

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anzabannanna's avatar

Right snack dab in the middle of the normal distribution. More temperature please!

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