Your breakdown of the 4 types of conservatives is a mental model that should be broadcast from the river to the sea!
How's that for a provocative compliment?
Provocations aside, it's frankly brilliant in its simplicity, accuracy, and fairness... and if broadcast more widely, I believe it would help progressives/dems better understand their opposition so much better than they do now. The lack of understanding of the granularity of the conservative movement today helps explain the utter lack of effective tools developed to counter it.
Nice work, now do the same for Dems/progressives so that conservatives can get a clear-eyed view of their competition!
This, right now, is the big difference between liberals and conservatives.
The left also has its vocal faction of antisemites, but one thing you're not seeing is the institutional Democratic Party or mainstream liberal media figures catering to them. You'll see frustration and anger over the behavior of the Israeli government and military in Gaza, to be sure, but it's always framed as "this isn't helping, you're making things worse, and Israel will probably be worse off than it was before once this is over." There is a real line within the liberal establishment between criticizing Israel's treatment of Palestinians (which is, to be sure, a mainstream view in the party) and outright defending Hamas and their actions or harassing Jewish Americans over it, and progressive and leftist activists who fall on the wrong side of that line find out very quickly that they are a lot less welcome in mainstream liberal circles than they used to be.
Am I worried that this faction of the left could grow in the future and take over the party? Certainly, especially given how young it skews. (Just ask British Labourites.) But right now, they are on the outs with the Democrats, and they know it. If anything, right now my biggest worry is that their estrangement from the mainstream left could put them on a path to being radicalized into the far-right.
The conservative movement, on the other hand, has let these guys flourish in their ranks. You laid out the case perfectly, so I won't repeat it, but I will simply add that, for the last several years, the movement has seemed (from my outside perspective) obsessed with chasing countercultural clout. As liberal values became more mainstream and conservative values came under growing criticism, conservatism responded by taking on an aggressive, trollish, "fuck the system and fuck you" ethos. Donald Trump's gleefully loutish behavior was a big part of this, to be sure, but what I find more telling is how the word "normie" has spread in right-wing circles as a pejorative. It means "normal person", somebody who lives an ordinary lifestyle and believes in the values assumed to be held by most Americans. What Richard Nixon called the "silent majority". When I hear it, it's usually coming from conservatives, and it's usually meant as an insult akin to "sheeple", as if to dismiss ordinary people as easily misled idiots and flatter themselves as members of an elite who know better than everyone else.
It shouldn't be a shock that antisemitism, a value system rejected by most ordinary Americans, would find fertile soil in what's become of the right, or that a conservative movement that styles itself as outsiders fighting The Man would have fewer antibodies against it.
You're missing an entire from to this war. In addition to all the anti semitism, there's been an ongoing war between the Crowder fans and the DW fans that recently boiled over and has somehow become a part of this. Don't ask me for details because honestly i have no idea.
I think you're forgetting a fifth group, The Base. The people that the "christ is king" show was meant to humiliate ben shapiro in front of. These aren't proud and out nazis or racists, they're the churchgoing 50 year olds with mortgages who say "black culture" is the problem. The Base is broadly willing to go along with whomever does the most Liberal Owning in any given moment, as a proxy for signalling that traditional christian values are still or ought to be socially dominant.
the 4 types of conservatives is very accurate. I'm not so sure Owens belongs in the grifter category though, she seems almost too committed to antisemitism for it to just be something she's faking.
Your breakdown of the 4 types of conservatives is a mental model that should be broadcast from the river to the sea!
How's that for a provocative compliment?
Provocations aside, it's frankly brilliant in its simplicity, accuracy, and fairness... and if broadcast more widely, I believe it would help progressives/dems better understand their opposition so much better than they do now. The lack of understanding of the granularity of the conservative movement today helps explain the utter lack of effective tools developed to counter it.
Nice work, now do the same for Dems/progressives so that conservatives can get a clear-eyed view of their competition!
This, right now, is the big difference between liberals and conservatives.
The left also has its vocal faction of antisemites, but one thing you're not seeing is the institutional Democratic Party or mainstream liberal media figures catering to them. You'll see frustration and anger over the behavior of the Israeli government and military in Gaza, to be sure, but it's always framed as "this isn't helping, you're making things worse, and Israel will probably be worse off than it was before once this is over." There is a real line within the liberal establishment between criticizing Israel's treatment of Palestinians (which is, to be sure, a mainstream view in the party) and outright defending Hamas and their actions or harassing Jewish Americans over it, and progressive and leftist activists who fall on the wrong side of that line find out very quickly that they are a lot less welcome in mainstream liberal circles than they used to be.
Am I worried that this faction of the left could grow in the future and take over the party? Certainly, especially given how young it skews. (Just ask British Labourites.) But right now, they are on the outs with the Democrats, and they know it. If anything, right now my biggest worry is that their estrangement from the mainstream left could put them on a path to being radicalized into the far-right.
The conservative movement, on the other hand, has let these guys flourish in their ranks. You laid out the case perfectly, so I won't repeat it, but I will simply add that, for the last several years, the movement has seemed (from my outside perspective) obsessed with chasing countercultural clout. As liberal values became more mainstream and conservative values came under growing criticism, conservatism responded by taking on an aggressive, trollish, "fuck the system and fuck you" ethos. Donald Trump's gleefully loutish behavior was a big part of this, to be sure, but what I find more telling is how the word "normie" has spread in right-wing circles as a pejorative. It means "normal person", somebody who lives an ordinary lifestyle and believes in the values assumed to be held by most Americans. What Richard Nixon called the "silent majority". When I hear it, it's usually coming from conservatives, and it's usually meant as an insult akin to "sheeple", as if to dismiss ordinary people as easily misled idiots and flatter themselves as members of an elite who know better than everyone else.
It shouldn't be a shock that antisemitism, a value system rejected by most ordinary Americans, would find fertile soil in what's become of the right, or that a conservative movement that styles itself as outsiders fighting The Man would have fewer antibodies against it.
You're missing an entire from to this war. In addition to all the anti semitism, there's been an ongoing war between the Crowder fans and the DW fans that recently boiled over and has somehow become a part of this. Don't ask me for details because honestly i have no idea.
I think you're forgetting a fifth group, The Base. The people that the "christ is king" show was meant to humiliate ben shapiro in front of. These aren't proud and out nazis or racists, they're the churchgoing 50 year olds with mortgages who say "black culture" is the problem. The Base is broadly willing to go along with whomever does the most Liberal Owning in any given moment, as a proxy for signalling that traditional christian values are still or ought to be socially dominant.
the 4 types of conservatives is very accurate. I'm not so sure Owens belongs in the grifter category though, she seems almost too committed to antisemitism for it to just be something she's faking.
What are the odds that the "pro-Hamas Islamist" accounts are actually run by yet another group of channer nihilists?
"So now there’s a bizarre Civil War going on on the fringes of the conservative Right."
The whole crooked lot would do the rest of us a favour, if they made that civil war hot. Maybe with a battle royale on a remote island.
Cowards or cuck? I see no difference among them.