Both the dongle guy AND her were mass shamed and canceled. Both lost their jobs. He bounced back quickly, she seems to have stayed unemployed for a long time afterwards.
When asked about each other, the guy involved who told the dongle joke basically said 'Nobody should ever be threatened or humiliated in public and if people are doing that to her it's wrong'. He seems like he kept his principles. In contrast, she basically said 'Yes he deserved it and I did nothing wrong'. She also engaged in conspiracies that he was secretly the force behind the avalanche of hate she got. From my perspective, she really does not appear to have grown or learned from the experience.
2013-2014 was quite the era for overdoing tech feminism.
I don't remember why (it wasn't Gamergate, that came later) but around that time all my SF tech worker friends suddenly realized there were no women in tech and they had to fix this by respecting women. Unfortunately they didn't know any women, so they went out and found some and started respecting them, which worked poorly as normally people don't enjoy this randomly happening to them.
So this ended up with them all being in the thrall of a poster named Shanley who would tell them all men are rapists, but if you gave her money you didn't count.
(The online SJW of that era has of course now either become an NPIC staffer who secretly works for a landlord or else a communist who secretly works for Raytheon.)
One of the aspects of this that always stands out to me is that the people who are most vocal about "cancel culture" in The Discourse are the ones who will likely be mostly okay if cancelled. That's not iron-clad, of course, but Jordan Peterson, Rogan, Chappelle, etc., would be totally fine in terms of finances, for example, if no one ever heard from them again and they never made another dime.
It's generally the folks who did not really seek out a high level of visibility and became the main character of the day who really stand to suffer real-world consequences from being 'cancelled'.
There's a good SlateStarCodex post that I can't find right now about cancelation. It points out that two things can be true at once - some people are deeply censored and shamed and cancelled for having certain views, while other people can shout those views from the rooftops and only get more money.
Jordan Peterson can't be cancelled for being anti-trans, because only your own group can cancel you. Being anti-trans has gotten him an enormous amount of fame and money. But for random people, posting something like he does might still get them fired (depends on context, but it definitely happens).
I am curious about how the woman involved reflects on dongle-gate.
Her story was one of the most interesting ones.
Both the dongle guy AND her were mass shamed and canceled. Both lost their jobs. He bounced back quickly, she seems to have stayed unemployed for a long time afterwards.
When asked about each other, the guy involved who told the dongle joke basically said 'Nobody should ever be threatened or humiliated in public and if people are doing that to her it's wrong'. He seems like he kept his principles. In contrast, she basically said 'Yes he deserved it and I did nothing wrong'. She also engaged in conspiracies that he was secretly the force behind the avalanche of hate she got. From my perspective, she really does not appear to have grown or learned from the experience.
2013-2014 was quite the era for overdoing tech feminism.
I don't remember why (it wasn't Gamergate, that came later) but around that time all my SF tech worker friends suddenly realized there were no women in tech and they had to fix this by respecting women. Unfortunately they didn't know any women, so they went out and found some and started respecting them, which worked poorly as normally people don't enjoy this randomly happening to them.
So this ended up with them all being in the thrall of a poster named Shanley who would tell them all men are rapists, but if you gave her money you didn't count.
(The online SJW of that era has of course now either become an NPIC staffer who secretly works for a landlord or else a communist who secretly works for Raytheon.)
One of the aspects of this that always stands out to me is that the people who are most vocal about "cancel culture" in The Discourse are the ones who will likely be mostly okay if cancelled. That's not iron-clad, of course, but Jordan Peterson, Rogan, Chappelle, etc., would be totally fine in terms of finances, for example, if no one ever heard from them again and they never made another dime.
It's generally the folks who did not really seek out a high level of visibility and became the main character of the day who really stand to suffer real-world consequences from being 'cancelled'.
There's a good SlateStarCodex post that I can't find right now about cancelation. It points out that two things can be true at once - some people are deeply censored and shamed and cancelled for having certain views, while other people can shout those views from the rooftops and only get more money.
Jordan Peterson can't be cancelled for being anti-trans, because only your own group can cancel you. Being anti-trans has gotten him an enormous amount of fame and money. But for random people, posting something like he does might still get them fired (depends on context, but it definitely happens).
I should add that I am not advocating for the cancelling of more famous people, I'm just saying their fall doesn't hurt them *as much*.